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May. 31st, 2005 @ 11:30 pm When a leak really is legit
About this time last week, the draft G8 climate change text appeared on a minor climate mailing list. I read this with interest, and not entirely sure it was legit (after all, why wasn't it in the national press too?) put it to one side rather than reproduce bad data.

Then a few days later, it did indeed appear in the national press. Here's Saturday's Guardian article, and I've uploaded the full orginal leak for you to read.

Basically, it's a load of spin, without actually saying anybody is committed to anything. It'll work well for sound-bites, but it's a failed conference before it starts if this is the text they're working from.

CAT gives Bellamy the middle finger

Something that I definitely do have the exclusive on: The Centre for Alternative Technology, Europe's largest eco-centre, has finally just kicked David Bellamy off its patrons list for climate change denial and fervent anti-wind activity.

An interested article by George Monbiot analysing some of Bellamy's recent statements can be found here. It seems his latest stats come straight from the previously documented Cooler Heads Coalition (Exxon lobby group) and..err..a typo:

"So it wasn't looking too good for Bellamy, or Singer, or any of the deniers who have cited these figures. But there was still one mystery to clear up. While Bellamy's source claimed that 55% of 625 glaciers are advancing, Bellamy claimed that 555 of them - or 89% - are advancing.

"This figure appears to exist nowhere else. But on the standard English keyboard, 5 and % occupy the same key. If you try to hit %, but fail to press shift, you get 555, instead of 55%. This is the only explanation I can produce for his figure. When I challenged him, he admitted that there had been "a glitch of the electronics"."
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From:badlydrawnboy38
Date:July 31st, 2005 02:28 am (UTC)
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Did you know that there is absolutely no evidence at all that Global Warming is the supposed culprit for Climate Change? Did you know that Climate Change is inevitable because the world is constantly changing on its own, just as it has for the past 4 billion years? Are you really so arrogant as to believe that we are the cause of the earth’s change in climate? Are you so stupid as to not recognize that there is no evidence at all that Global Warming is in fact happening? Or are you to proud of yourself, to realize that Global Warming is not a threat, even if its real, and that stopping Global Warming would do nothing, because the world is constantly changing on its own, and we are helpless to stop it?

I’m not saying that Global Warming isn’t real, All I’m saying is that I have yet to see proof of it. I believe that our world is an amazing place, something we should protect. Not something that we should try to control, because no matter how hard we try, we just can’t.
From:cnidarian2
Date:November 18th, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
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Have you ever looked at the proof and counter-arguments, love? Global warming is a rather complex topic, as is climate. I suggest you learn about feedback loops and historic rates of climate change before you make vague pronouncements about our constantly changing world. We can destroy, and have destroyed, entire ecosystems by hurting habitats. Who's to say six billion humans can't do this on a global scale?
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From:call_of_the_sea
Date:November 28th, 2005 06:27 pm (UTC)
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Are you so stupid to not recognize that the ozone hole cannot be a natural process? Have you ever seen figures of the atmospheric carbon dioxide content and how it developed since the start of the industrial age? Did you ever see prognostic model runs for global temperature or do you know about the effect of molten sea ice on the oceanic overturning? Apparently not. Inform yourself before accusing others of stupidity.
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From:trancendenz
Date:February 2nd, 2006 11:07 pm (UTC)
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old old thread, but people are really stupid about ozone:

http://www.conspairacy.com/mainthemes/newozone.html

I sent this guy emails and he thought I was making up the "tropopuase". At that point, my head exploded.